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and now we bring you a story of woe and

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dread yeah my computer broker press the

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and it didn't fire up oh no I had all

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the zone files on it for this week so

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and here it is you may notice the levels

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the show please bear with it I hope you

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don't mind it's Richard Saunders here

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with you once again for the skeptic zone

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show number 70 70 oh wow for the 19th of

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februari 2010 what an interesting shall

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we have for you today we have an

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interview with Matthew Baxter from the

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Rocky Mountain Paranormal Society

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interesting stuff all sorts of

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investigations up there Rocky Mountains

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I wonder if they ever come across

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Bigfoot listen on for the interview

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coming up shortly after that we have a

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little interlude without good friend

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George rub and then it's the return of

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dr. Stefan Soyka he's going to tell us

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all about doctors without medicine that

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should be interesting a couple little

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notes to look out for also while you're

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surfing the internet please check out

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dr. Reggie's blog the skeptics book of

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poo poo or the skeptics book and also

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the Zoners blog you can reach both of

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those from our website at skeptic zone

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TV another interesting site that's been

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brought to my attention is skeptical

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science com where you can download an

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iphone app all about global warming

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questions answered all sorts of things

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iphone app for global warming people

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like you and me who are interested in

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the topic worth checking out now let me

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say how impressed i've been lately with

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our colleagues in new zealand and their

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excellent work in battling homeopathy

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why don't you check out a podcast down

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there called the completely unnecessary

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skeptical

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podcast and that's HTTP colon slash

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slash the see you SP dot org dot NZ my

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also looking around that area in the

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world check out the new zealand skeptics

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which is skeptics org dot NZ Vicki hide

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is certainly one of our heroines down

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there I've been having a lot of fun

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lately putting up some of my TV

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appearances on YouTube and my youtube

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channel is called skeptic zone podcast

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over the last few years I've been

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popping in and out of TV debating

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various people crop circles ghosts

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ghosts photography that sort of stuff

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mildura there's an interesting new

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skeptics in the pub starting up the sun

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rays your skeptics in the pub the first

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meeting is on the second of march six pm

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at o'malley's irish pub my story's irish

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pubs in mildura check out the website at

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designated thinkers dot blogspot com and

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piece of information alright I can't

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so sit back grab that champagne and

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I'm Carly Sturgis and I'm talking to

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Matthew Baxter Matthew Baxter or just

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backgrounds in IT design photo video

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editing and paranormal research he's

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involving UFOs ghosts demonology fraud

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amongst other areas as a member of the

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Society in denver colorado baxter

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with a scientific mind first in addition

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he is the co-host of the warning radio

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show thank you so much for joining me

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again baxter because i tried doing this

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interview before and i lost it and I

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feel awful before I think there's a

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gremlin in the system I can certainly

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investigate that for you good okay tell

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we are a little different than other

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phenomenon is that they're looking at we

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than you know anything like a ghost you

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know you can't really go in and

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investigate what people claim and then

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really helps us with keeping an open

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mind about the possibilities now you've

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been keeping an open mind for a long

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started with paranormal research and I

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of that and started doing the ghost

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when you're when you're doing something

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dangers involved and I'm not talking I'm

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dangers where oh you should surround

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properties and there could be a lot of

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something like that don't don't do it

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being an intuitive otherwise known as a

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psychic but more of your gut feelings

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police are on their way you know that's

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a good intuition to have yeah I read on

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your site that you were the one who

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owned an EMF detector and it was a big

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mindset and they really were at odds

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razor abdom how do I know I know she was

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I am every bit as horrible as he is oh

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called 1408 Stephen King movie and in

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very skeptical gentleman but he loves to

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number of people the books he would

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research team is different than what

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that moment that we needed to start an

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our viewpoints are and maybe educate

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them on some of the mistakes they're

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mistakes they were making it turned out

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several others and we really began to

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skeptics far more than we did the

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paranormal believers and in fact we

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education as we can but we tend to

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interview people that we like now

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because you know it's our show we're not

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make sure we have fun it's a nice

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challenge to the grumpy skeptic

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that talks to skeptics isn't yes yes

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stereotype and I think that stereotype

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was started by both James Randi and Joe

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familiar with they were always the token

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these tales of all these wonderful

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paranormal happenings and it was such a

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an intriguing sort of story and then you

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real and then that's it the rest would

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skeptic so they it really did start to

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people very funny and and full of life

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prevalent yeah I had the chance to hang

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around Joe Nickell when I was at Dragon

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Con last and he is full of fabulous

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stories he's real edgy yes is the Rocky

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Mountain Paranormal Research Society is

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one really proactive group because

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you're even creating videos that you put

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online in challenge of certain people's

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claims can you tell us about that well I

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would say the the first real video that

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we put out was the alien in the window

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video which yeah it gained worldwide

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fame in a very short amount of time in

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fact the the server that's hosting our

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website is a very large company and the

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night that we put it up the following

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night I was on Larry King Live and

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everybody started hitting that video and

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needless to say the site was was knocked

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down because of the over million hits we

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received that night and it was it was

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crazy but what had happened is there was

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a gentleman by the name of stan romanek

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who we had been following for probably

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six years at that point and he claims to

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have the most documented abductions

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alien abduction story ever in history

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apparently he didn't know too much about

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billy meier because I think Billy Meyer

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has actually the most documented story

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that's already been debunked several

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times but stan romanek you know seemed

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fairly harmless to us i mean we watched

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him and he was a complete fraud we knew

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what he was doing we would attend his

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lectures and be able to see right

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through the Sham but the only people he

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was talking to were just other people in

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the UFO community that were already

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believers they were already conspiracy

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theorists and the government's are all

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horrible and hiding the truth from us

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and and all the typical stuff so there's

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really no reason to take him down at

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that point because he stayed within his

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own and they weren't going to be

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convinced any way by us so we just kind

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of sat on it and watched him well one

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day he gets someone at

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in his lecture that gets quite

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frightened by the fake video of an alien

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looking in the window and he decides

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that he's going to create an ET Affairs

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Commission in denver colorado so he gets

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it he tries to get it put on the ballot

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and he's going to make a big press

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announcement and the press can come and

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watch this video and its definitive

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proof it is the smoking gun to show that

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aliens are here among us and this is why

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we need this commission so on the night

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before he's going to do this it becomes

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big news we hear about it and we hear

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that this video cannot be faked because

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it is it's so perfect and organic

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looking and it would take a $50,000 to

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fake this and so what we did is we

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immediately knew which video he was

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talking about you know he was trying to

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be very tight-lipped about everything

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but we knew exactly what he was talking

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about so we went out we rented a an

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alien from a costume shop and we put the

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whole thing together including the

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website we replicated several other

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pieces of stan romanek sevens several

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other videos he's got and we did it all

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in one night for $90 and that's

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including the cost of the domain name

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that's the alien rental that's

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everything even though fee for everyone

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after it's all done exactly exactly it

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was just that was it and I said by the

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next day was it was huge news when you

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compare the two videos side by side ours

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is actually far superior to his and

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that's the important thing you got to

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show them how to do it yeah exactly if

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you want to fake something come to us

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now there's the serious side of this

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because you've mentioned that this has

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created fear and worry amongst members

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of the public and since that time you've

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had a little bit more worried in regards

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to how politics and UFO belief have

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crossed over how serious is it getting

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over there in Denver well it is a pretty

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serious thing for all of the paranormal

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in general people tend to be so ready

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to leap to a paranormal explanation

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because of the the amount of it that's

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on TV it's being accepted as fact you

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see the a bug crawl across to security

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camera and it's a ghost and it's been

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shown as news on CNN you've got you know

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there some backwoods idiots in Georgia

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that basically shove a gorilla costume

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in a cooler and say that they've got a

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decaying carcass of Bigfoot and it's

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news nobody's trying to debunk it of

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these these journalists none of them are

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trying to debunk it they're just

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presenting this is news a Bigfoot has

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been found and then we have the ranchers

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that get the mutilated cattle and it's

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like the aliens are here you know the

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only expert they got was a UFO believer

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that said well this cattle mutilation

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could not have been a human and it

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couldn't have been a predator the only

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thing that's left is aliens that's why

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that paranormal research group becomes

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more and more important as a opportunity

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to the media to contact absolutely i

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mean because what kind of an asinine

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statement is that you've got three

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choices humans predators and aliens and

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simply because he says so it couldn't

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get first two although there are many

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other possibilities so it's really

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disappointing to see how the media is

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handling this they're they're just

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looking for sensationalism so the people

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are really on edge you know they're

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they're believing what they're seeing on

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TV we get phone calls in the middle of

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the night because the demon that is

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chasing around Ryan on paranora ya

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paranormal state is now in their house

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tormenting them because they just

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watched an episode of paranormal state

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and they know that that demon is in

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their house too and then you've got the

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huge number of paranormal teams that are

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being spawned from this when Rocky

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Mountain paranormal was started there

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were three teams in the Denver area

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there are now well over a hundred and

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forty and they are running around yeah

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they're running around terrifying people

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we get the phone call at three in the

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morning we're so sorry we didn't call

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you first this other team was in our

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house and they say we have demons and

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and then they just left we don't know

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what to do so we're running around

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putting out fires and it's it's really

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sad to watch this happen but we're

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working hard to educate the public we do

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a lot of lectures for school kids

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teachers are smart enough to bring us

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into give lectures about it and to

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understand that what they're seeing on

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TV is not necessarily real and maybe

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they ought to think twice about what

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they see and what they're told and it's

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we do see it having an impact so we're

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very happy about that I can see a lot of

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organization in this and obviously a lot

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of community outreach and planning in

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order to make yourselves these sorts of

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people who can be contacted how easy is

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it to become contacted by the media the

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media really well first they love to

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contact us when it gets around Halloween

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and I know that Halloween isn't as big

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and Australia but it is ridiculous here

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in America it's a big money earner isn't

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it first off oh very much yes very much

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so it has become the opportunity for

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adults to really behave like children

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and which is great I love the idea of

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that and Halloween always used to be my

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favorite holiday because I got to behave

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as much like a child as I possibly could

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and now that I'm a paranormal researcher

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I don't get to do that anymore I would

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say for the entire month of October and

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most of November we are working

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constantly doing media appearances and

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trying to put a stop to a lot of what's

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going on and the media loves us around

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this time of year so we really we do get

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contacted quite a bit more

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than we used to so we're we're on we're

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on TV quite a bit what sort of things

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can make you stand out and you would

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suggest to others might consider well

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one thing that that may be a first will

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seem counterintuitive but one of the

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things we do is we make darn sure

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everybody knows that there are no

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experts and that's that's us included

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there are absolutely no experts but what

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they do need to do is stop don't listen

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to what anybody is saying of and just

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take it on blind faith well what they

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need to do is stop and think about it

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twice think about what other

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possibilities there are we try to show

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them that there's sort of a graph in

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front of them and what they have what

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the graph represents is say a paranormal

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claim now on on the right side of this

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graph is the most obvious solution it is

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Occam's razor it's the simplest solution

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on the left side of the graft graph is

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the paranormal explanation and there's

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tick marks all the way down it you you

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cannot jump to the paranormal

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explanation you have to start down at

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the simple end and eliminate the

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possibilities and when you cannot

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eliminate a possibility that's where you

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stop you do not just automatically jump

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all the possibilities and choose

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paranormal for the explanation and this

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is the the route that most people are

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not going you have to the paranormal can

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only be the explanation when everything

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else has been eliminated then all you're

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left with is that as a solution or an

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explanation but nobody's doing that

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they're just jumping right to the

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paranormal explanation so that's that's

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one of the things we really try to teach

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people in terms of our expertise we have

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all sorts of different things in our

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backgrounds I am a computer expert and

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both hardware and software I'm also

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audio engineer and producer

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a lot of video expertise along with

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photography I've been trained to do EMF

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field surveys a lot of things in those

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areas I've done a lot of research on

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world religions different beliefs

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metaphysical beliefs and I think one of

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the most important ones is that I was a

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believer at one stage and that being in

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that frame of mind and remembering what

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it was like really helps me to identify

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with what these people are going through

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and it does make a big difference now

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now Brian he's a photography expert

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teaches Photoshop classes trained to do

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electromagnetic field surveys we both

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have certifications with thermal cameras

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which is why we know that they're

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worthless in this field and you know

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it's just we both have a pretty wide

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range of certifications and education in

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related fields so yeah almost any field

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can be related even if you're a plumber

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it can come in handy okay watch out for

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that he's not going down the line the

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plumbers own but it's true I mean being

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a plumber is actually a good credential

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to have for this type of investigation

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but it has to be part of what of what

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you do I mean you have to take in that

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the things that you know as a plumber

541
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you need to be able to use use that

542
00:25:37,470 --> 00:25:35,410
knowledge you know if you hear a

543
00:25:42,060 --> 00:25:37,480
familiar sound and you know that sound

544
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:42,070
because it's the sound of a bracket not

545
00:25:45,990 --> 00:25:44,890
being on a pipe correctly then that's

546
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:46,000
that's something you can solve

547
00:25:50,010 --> 00:25:47,470
immediately because of your experience

548
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,020
as a plumber and there are a lot of

549
00:25:53,460 --> 00:25:51,760
things like that when you're dealing

550
00:25:55,410 --> 00:25:53,470
with people's residences that being a

551
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:55,420
plumber is very handy but if you're not

552
00:26:00,030 --> 00:25:57,700
using critical thought then it doesn't

553
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:00,040
matter what your profession is your

554
00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:01,810
you're going to give idiot responses no

555
00:26:06,210 --> 00:26:03,880
matter what you know if it's if it's any

556
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:06,220
sort of technical field the odds are

557
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:07,750
you're going to be able to use the

558
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:10,570
knowledge in some way and that's a great

559
00:26:14,810 --> 00:26:13,090
start because then it gives you that

560
00:26:21,350 --> 00:26:14,820
that

561
00:26:24,379 --> 00:26:21,360
your tools for what they were originally

562
00:26:26,990 --> 00:26:24,389
designed for rather than looking at them

563
00:26:28,999 --> 00:26:27,000
as ghost hunting tools you know you

564
00:26:32,509 --> 00:26:29,009
don't use a camera as a ghost hunting

565
00:26:34,700 --> 00:26:32,519
tool it is a documentation tool audio

566
00:26:37,999 --> 00:26:34,710
recording is not a ghost hunting tool

567
00:26:40,009 --> 00:26:38,009
it's a documentation tool so you really

568
00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:40,019
get into the mindset of documenting

569
00:26:46,519 --> 00:26:43,049
things to find the truth rather than

570
00:26:48,889 --> 00:26:46,529
running out with your ghost detector now

571
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:48,899
speaking of people detecting things

572
00:26:53,899 --> 00:26:51,419
which might not be there Jeff Pakman

573
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,909
I've read about him back in 2008 he

574
00:26:58,700 --> 00:26:56,220
created a extraterrestrial Affairs

575
00:27:01,850 --> 00:26:58,710
Commission in Denver how has that

576
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:01,860
continued on since that time well Jeff

577
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:06,480
Pakman needed to get 4,000 signatures to

578
00:27:13,549 --> 00:27:09,210
get his et Affairs Commission on the

579
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:13,559
city of Denver ballot to be voted on

580
00:27:21,409 --> 00:27:18,570
that year he has failed every time to

581
00:27:23,180 --> 00:27:21,419
get the needed number of signatures he

582
00:27:26,450 --> 00:27:23,190
would usually get around three or four

583
00:27:28,100 --> 00:27:26,460
hundred of the 4,000 that he needed it's

584
00:27:30,169 --> 00:27:28,110
still a significant number isn't it

585
00:27:33,889 --> 00:27:30,179
people saying we need to investigate

586
00:27:37,330 --> 00:27:33,899
aliens as part of our public policy well

587
00:27:43,190 --> 00:27:37,340
let me let me read you just a very quick

588
00:27:48,019 --> 00:27:43,200
quote that was just sent now first off I

589
00:27:51,700 --> 00:27:48,029
have to tell you that he ended up hiring

590
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:51,710
a company to acquire the signatures and

591
00:27:58,759 --> 00:27:55,080
this company acquired over 10,000

592
00:28:01,340 --> 00:27:58,769
signatures most of which were invalid

593
00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:01,350
justice so they were yeah yeah they were

594
00:28:07,070 --> 00:28:04,710
thrown out so he just barely squeaked by

595
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:07,080
with the the number of signatures he

596
00:28:13,399 --> 00:28:09,450
needed but then we get this very

597
00:28:16,249 --> 00:28:13,409
interesting email that says I was asked

598
00:28:18,409 --> 00:28:16,259
in a deceptive manner the signature

599
00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:18,419
gatherer asked me to sign a petition to

600
00:28:23,629 --> 00:28:21,240
put a public safety measure on the

601
00:28:25,730 --> 00:28:23,639
ballot people who don't read the text

602
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:25,740
might sign it thinking they're doing a

603
00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:29,010
good thing and then the question is

604
00:28:31,790 --> 00:28:30,300
do you think you'd sign it if it had

605
00:28:35,210 --> 00:28:31,800
been posed to you in a deceptive manner

606
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:35,220
now a response was I guess it depends on

607
00:28:40,550 --> 00:28:38,250
the ballot question I tend to think I

608
00:28:42,020 --> 00:28:40,560
tend to at least scan the full title of

609
00:28:44,780 --> 00:28:42,030
the text whenever I'm going to be

610
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:44,790
signing if someone if I had read it and

611
00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:46,050
saw something like this I would have

612
00:28:53,150 --> 00:28:48,990
laughed my ass off and still and still

613
00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:53,160
signed it Wow so people are signing this

614
00:28:58,700 --> 00:28:56,120
because they think it's a funny joke oh

615
00:29:02,510 --> 00:28:58,710
it's like voting for Jedi as your

616
00:29:04,970 --> 00:29:02,520
religion exactly exactly so this is the

617
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:04,980
problem is people are just laughing it

618
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:07,620
up this is great fun this is really

619
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:11,010
hilarious will surprise it's not this is

620
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:12,720
something that could really damage

621
00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:15,930
Denver and set a dangerous precedent for

622
00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:18,060
other nut jobs in other cities that want

623
00:29:23,500 --> 00:29:20,880
to start something like this so people

624
00:29:27,050 --> 00:29:23,510
need to start taking this seriously and

625
00:29:30,260 --> 00:29:27,060
vote no on this but what are you going

626
00:29:32,030 --> 00:29:30,270
to do I mean a Jeff peckmon is is not

627
00:29:34,700 --> 00:29:32,040
being taken seriously by a lot of people

628
00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:34,710
in fact I noticed that the the young

629
00:29:40,370 --> 00:29:36,660
skeptics there in Australia voted it

630
00:29:43,460 --> 00:29:40,380
voted him number six on the biggest

631
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:43,470
enemies of skepticism he's willing to do

632
00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:46,890
things like put up signs and create

633
00:29:51,470 --> 00:29:49,230
groups in order to devote a lot of time

634
00:29:53,180 --> 00:29:51,480
and money to proving the existence of

635
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:53,190
aliens that was what I had discovered

636
00:30:00,800 --> 00:29:57,600
about him well he does put forth a lot

637
00:30:04,780 --> 00:30:00,810
of effort his real big thing is that he

638
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:04,790
wants control of a government website

639
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:06,930
because that's basically what this

640
00:30:10,970 --> 00:30:08,130
commission is going to do is have a

641
00:30:15,020 --> 00:30:10,980
website that's going to be exposing the

642
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:15,030
truth now their version of the truth is

643
00:30:20,390 --> 00:30:17,130
about as far from realities you can get

644
00:30:24,050 --> 00:30:20,400
but that version of the truth is going

645
00:30:27,290 --> 00:30:24,060
to be on a government website and that's

646
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,300
very dangerous in itself how is it being

647
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:29,340
challenged obviously getting out the

648
00:30:35,180 --> 00:30:32,490
message in regards to his actions what

649
00:30:38,450 --> 00:30:35,190
else is being done well are you speaking

650
00:30:40,610 --> 00:30:38,460
from our perspective on what we are

651
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:40,620
doing or yes absolutely what's the rocky

652
00:30:43,410 --> 00:30:41,170
mountain

653
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,420
Paranormal Research Society trying to do

654
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:45,520
in response to this well we have

655
00:30:54,150 --> 00:30:49,810
basically a plan that that that falls

656
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:54,160
into different phases and right now

657
00:30:59,460 --> 00:30:56,650
we're starting off with just smaller

658
00:31:02,960 --> 00:30:59,470
things everywhere that he posts any of

659
00:31:08,460 --> 00:31:02,970
his stories or whatever we always have a

660
00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:08,470
very thorough debunking of what he said

661
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:11,110
or explanation of what he said in the

662
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:12,970
comments section so it's just a very

663
00:31:18,150 --> 00:31:15,490
small thing at the moment we are putting

664
00:31:20,820 --> 00:31:18,160
together a political of organization

665
00:31:23,070 --> 00:31:20,830
that will be recognized by the city of

666
00:31:26,820 --> 00:31:23,080
Denver so we will be able to demand

667
00:31:29,490 --> 00:31:26,830
equal time from anyone that gives him

668
00:31:34,410 --> 00:31:29,500
any time and so we're going that route

669
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:34,420
we're also filming anti peckmon I guess

670
00:31:41,550 --> 00:31:37,690
you would say commercials videos things

671
00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:41,560
like that in fact where we're trying to

672
00:31:47,220 --> 00:31:44,380
come up with some acronyms for this

673
00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:47,230
political organization and I'm going to

674
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:49,000
run just a few of them by you to see

675
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:51,580
what you think okay guys we've we've got

676
00:31:57,270 --> 00:31:54,610
citizens rejecting asinine proposals

677
00:32:02,460 --> 00:31:57,280
which otherwise which is otherwise known

678
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:02,470
as crap yes we've got a citizen's

679
00:32:09,870 --> 00:32:05,520
helping unmask manipulative of

680
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:09,880
megalomaniacal proposals which is chump

681
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:12,610
and then we've got mission for

682
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:14,950
inhibiting bureaucracy which is the MIB

683
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:17,860
I like that one alone I like the MIB

684
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:20,830
that sounds good yeah I think that yeah

685
00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:22,150
I think that's the one we're going to go

686
00:32:26,310 --> 00:32:24,040
for now we got citizens rejecting

687
00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:26,320
eccentric extraterrestrial proposals

688
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,260
otherwise known as creep and then we've

689
00:32:36,030 --> 00:32:31,600
got citizens of the lizard overlord

690
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:36,040
nation otherwise known as colon oh I bet

691
00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:37,840
might get the wrong idea however I'm so

692
00:32:42,300 --> 00:32:39,310
that may be a few plumbers might be

693
00:32:44,370 --> 00:32:42,310
intrigued by that saying we can yeah

694
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,380
we're trying to come up for one for

695
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:46,960
probe but all we can come up with so far

696
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,690
as people rejecting and we haven't got

697
00:32:54,659 --> 00:32:52,240
the rest of it yet but so I think the

698
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:54,669
MIB is probably what we'll go

699
00:33:00,330 --> 00:32:58,480
on that one but in the end we're we're

700
00:33:02,460 --> 00:33:00,340
compelled to do it and we do have a lot

701
00:33:05,789 --> 00:33:02,470
of fun especially when we're successful

702
00:33:07,649 --> 00:33:05,799
and we've had enough success as of late

703
00:33:10,259 --> 00:33:07,659
that we'll be doing this for quite some

704
00:33:11,879 --> 00:33:10,269
time and you make a difference which is

705
00:33:14,700 --> 00:33:11,889
wonderful getting that feedback and

706
00:33:17,789 --> 00:33:14,710
saying it yeah it really is there's

707
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:17,799
nothing better than getting what we get

708
00:33:24,509 --> 00:33:21,190
emails from people that we've managed to

709
00:33:27,299 --> 00:33:24,519
change their lives and those are the

710
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:27,309
most important trophies that that will

711
00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:31,690
ever get and so it's a relief we've had

712
00:33:36,450 --> 00:33:33,489
some very interesting ones in that sense

713
00:33:38,999 --> 00:33:36,460
so I'm very very happy about that now as

714
00:33:41,159 --> 00:33:39,009
a result of all of this work a lot of

715
00:33:43,499 --> 00:33:41,169
dedication I've heard that you've got an

716
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:43,509
actual television show in the in the

717
00:33:47,009 --> 00:33:45,129
process of happening can you tell us a

718
00:33:48,450 --> 00:33:47,019
little about that well we've we've

719
00:33:50,340 --> 00:33:48,460
actually got the potential of two

720
00:33:52,830 --> 00:33:50,350
different television shows no mama

721
00:33:55,349 --> 00:33:52,840
that's great yes there's there's one

722
00:33:58,169 --> 00:33:55,359
that's a local show that we're working

723
00:34:02,190 --> 00:33:58,179
on called Colorado X case files of the

724
00:34:04,409 --> 00:34:02,200
paranormal and what that is it's an

725
00:34:08,309 --> 00:34:04,419
interesting show where we have a team of

726
00:34:11,159 --> 00:34:08,319
skeptics and academics who are doing the

727
00:34:13,619 --> 00:34:11,169
investigations with us and we are the

728
00:34:17,099 --> 00:34:13,629
paranormal team so we go in and we use

729
00:34:19,530 --> 00:34:17,109
our particular skeptical approach to

730
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:19,540
doing it and then they do theirs and

731
00:34:24,450 --> 00:34:20,530
then at the end of the show we have a

732
00:34:26,220 --> 00:34:24,460
consensus on what we found so that's one

733
00:34:28,139 --> 00:34:26,230
show that we're doing that will will

734
00:34:29,970 --> 00:34:28,149
probably stay fairly local we'll

735
00:34:33,319 --> 00:34:29,980
probably have some webisodes on the

736
00:34:37,470 --> 00:34:33,329
website and stuff but the other one is

737
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:37,480
doesn't have a name as of yet but it is

738
00:34:44,010 --> 00:34:40,530
by the the production company that

739
00:34:46,289 --> 00:34:44,020
Warren Miller part of so and he is the

740
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:46,299
wonderful director that does a lot of

741
00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:49,690
the ski films and actually has offices

742
00:34:54,839 --> 00:34:52,720
in Australia as well as America and

743
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:54,849
other places and they do incredible

744
00:35:01,799 --> 00:34:59,040
extreme like winter sports type of

745
00:35:04,230 --> 00:35:01,809
documentaries and end shows and they've

746
00:35:06,660 --> 00:35:04,240
decided they want to branch out and do

747
00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:06,670
something more along the lines of Penn &

748
00:35:10,580 --> 00:35:08,250
Teller's BS

749
00:35:14,270 --> 00:35:10,590
and Mythbusters and things like that but

750
00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:14,280
have a very focused on the paranormal so

751
00:35:20,660 --> 00:35:16,800
maybe extreme skepticism you're chasing

752
00:35:21,860 --> 00:35:20,670
the the aliens on skis perhaps yes yes

753
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:21,870
there'll be a lot of jumping out of

754
00:35:26,420 --> 00:35:24,360
helicopters with snowboards and EMF

755
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:26,430
detectors getting ready for the Olympics

756
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:29,400
I imagine you and take you yeah exactly

757
00:35:36,670 --> 00:35:33,330
so that'll be very exciting but we we

758
00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:36,680
will be doing a lot of exposing frauds

759
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,730
that's going to be one of the number one

760
00:35:44,060 --> 00:35:40,500
things about this show we will be

761
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:44,070
tackling the frauds and really making

762
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:47,850
them fess up as much as we can but it's

763
00:35:51,530 --> 00:35:49,290
going to be exciting gonna catch them

764
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:51,540
red-handed fantastic that is brilliant

765
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:54,690
now if people would like to keep an eye

766
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:56,610
on what you're up to or ask some

767
00:36:00,230 --> 00:35:58,260
questions because I think you are a

768
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,240
fabulous resource for someone who might

769
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:02,640
be wanting some direction because you

770
00:36:07,460 --> 00:36:03,990
have so many things that you've achieved

771
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:07,470
what are the best sites too well the the

772
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:10,530
main website to go to is Rocky Mountain

773
00:36:19,340 --> 00:36:14,640
paranormal calm and that website has an

774
00:36:23,720 --> 00:36:19,350
incredible wealth of information and go

775
00:36:25,810 --> 00:36:23,730
all around craziness on it and from that

776
00:36:29,330 --> 00:36:25,820
site you'll also find links to our

777
00:36:31,250 --> 00:36:29,340
online magazine or our digital magazine

778
00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:31,260
called modern paranormal investigator

779
00:36:39,170 --> 00:36:35,760
and then the radio show is warning radio

780
00:36:41,150 --> 00:36:39,180
dot info and there's also links off of

781
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:41,160
the Rocky Mountain paranormal site we're

782
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:43,110
also doing another site called Rocky

783
00:36:51,830 --> 00:36:47,010
Mountain paranormal labs and we will be

784
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:51,840
posting results from more scientifically

785
00:37:00,140 --> 00:36:57,600
based experimentation on I'll say the

786
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:00,150
paranormal communities accepted ghosts

787
00:37:05,570 --> 00:37:04,170
tools such as the Franks box the ovule

788
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:05,580
asst the paranormal puck all these

789
00:37:10,580 --> 00:37:08,820
really stupid devices that people are

790
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:10,590
using to catch ghosts with we're

791
00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:11,610
actually going to be putting them

792
00:37:18,020 --> 00:37:14,670
through scientific testing with a local

793
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:18,030
university here in Colorado and then

794
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:19,410
we'll be posting the results on Rocky

795
00:37:23,570 --> 00:37:20,790
Mountain paranormal labs

796
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:23,580
calm and just to give people a little

797
00:37:29,900 --> 00:37:26,400
more insight on what these devices

798
00:37:31,610 --> 00:37:29,910
really do and so thank you so much for

799
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:31,620
talking to us Baxter here on a skeptic

800
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:42,810
zone thank you so much we take you now

801
00:37:48,620 --> 00:37:44,700
to a conversation being shattered across

802
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:48,630
a hillside what I said I'm trying to

803
00:37:54,590 --> 00:37:50,570
come up with a brother for this podcast

804
00:37:57,590 --> 00:37:54,600
podcast the geologic podcast watch a

805
00:38:00,200 --> 00:37:57,600
geologic vodka Oh Hobbs pointless

806
00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:00,210
meanderings skeptical observations

807
00:38:05,570 --> 00:38:02,760
ridiculous musical interludes and not

808
00:38:07,340 --> 00:38:05,580
the hint of geology all right maybe a

809
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:07,350
little bit of joel g what's not worth it

810
00:38:12,110 --> 00:38:09,510
oh come on he's got a really just bow

811
00:38:15,140 --> 00:38:12,120
out of the week she has more grades

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cares what the Boston feet is just a fun

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Bible morning girls it's on science

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stupid your adventures of the

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Ukrainian boy playing drums the funk

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band must be fascinating but now the

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back is appealing not even a we beat

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right at any minute oh sweet try great

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the geologic podcast pointless but free

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podcast on cam hi I'm dr. Stefan Soyka

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for medicine some medicine or doctors

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without medicine medicine some medicine

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is an alternative therapies Crisis

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Response organization our dedicated team

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of fully certified healers from a

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diverse range of disciplines like

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iridology color therapy or a balancing

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and ear candling are on hand 24-7 around

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the globe to deal with natural disasters

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such as the devastating earthquake in

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haiti the indian ocean tsunami of 2004

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or man-made disasters such as a horrific

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conflicts in afghanistan congo and the

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niger delta most of you would have

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already heard of medicine some frontier

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but this so-called medicine is simply

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not enough medicine some medicine

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provides alternative complementary

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health care to the crushed stabbed shot

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and tortured the first thing we do when

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we enter a disaster zone is a patient

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care giver consultation for 300 US

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dollars we take a multidisciplinary

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approach to triage to ensure a full and

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accurate diagnosis patients are usually

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brought to us in a terrible state so the

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first thing we do is pray to the Great

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Archangel Raphael for the patient speedy

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recovery we then moving to some Eastern

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healing chanting invoking the full

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spectrum of spirit beings to comfort and

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protect the victim a magical white light

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of well-being is then cast upon the

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bleeding and battered subject covering

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any leaking chakras and plugging in the

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aura holes with a protective spiritual

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spac filler if possible we then turn the

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patient immediately on their side and

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perform an emergency ear candling to

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eliminate any toxins that might have

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entered the body through the gaping

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wounds

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or bullet holes it is essential during

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such emergency response treatments to

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use ear candling drip wax protectors to

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avoid piercing the chakra protecting

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white light capsule triage is complete

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after a full homeopathic ear ideological

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psychic mind body herbal report is

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created on some aromatherapy infused

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rainbow colored paper with affirmations

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at the bottom documenting the full

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extent of the victims wounds and

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ailments they might also through remote

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viewing provides psychic information

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about their friends and relatives in

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neighboring villages where we might even

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solve a few unsolved crimes of the last

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500 years a typical triage patient would

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present with muscle tightness tiredness

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low energy levels or a sluggish liver in

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need of a good cleansing typically as

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well their bodies limbs and skulls would

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be riddled with shrapnel with gaping

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wounds down to the bone or even

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partially dismembered at this point the

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medicine saw medecine complementary

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health practitioners would go into full

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er mode with our patented field hospital

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homeopathy kit scrapings of the wound

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giving shrapnel or in the case of the

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Haitian earthquake victims ground-up

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concrete bricks would be diluted down to

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extreme healing levels instilling in the

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water the total memory of the bomb or

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building collapse that caused the

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ailment drawing the healing power of the

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body out through a powerful miraculous

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yet impossible to scientifically

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demonstrate her mere pathetic action

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through sheer serendipity the water we

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use in such disaster areas is usually

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also riddled with botulism cholera ecoli

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typhoid and Salmonella so we can treat a

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whole range of diseases with a one

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single remedy from homeopathy we move to

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acupuncture often gaining direct access

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to the Chi meridians via the open wounds

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which only magnifies the effect on the

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patient as is clearly noticeable to

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their facial expressions we then install

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magnetic bracelets on whatever remaining

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limbs there

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and that magnetic healing is again

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magnified through any metallic objects

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that are still lodged within our client

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it is often at this time that the whole

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family of our customer comes into the

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medicines on medicine crystal marquee to

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join us in prayer to as many angels as

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we can think of at this critical moment

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in the patient's destiny a full tarot

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reading an astrology star chart is done

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if the patient is still alive they are

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moved to the Reiki lounge where our

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Reiki masters peel back the white light

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energy orb and channel Universal healing

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power right where it's needed at the

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spurting severed arteries then it's time

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for a full detox with one two three gut

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flush and the application of the life

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wire healing wand at any exit wounds a

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bit of aromatherapy a couple of drops of

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bark flower remedy under the tongue and

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the medicine some medicine healing

939
00:43:23,860 --> 00:43:21,830
process is complete although we are

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swimming in cash from billing all our

941
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treatments directly to the patients

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families in u.s. dollars guaranteed by

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the World Health Organization we do ask

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for your support to let medicines on

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00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:34,580
medecine continue our vital work in the

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world's disaster areas don't trust the

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health of millions of victims of war

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disaster and famine to medicines on

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frontiers who relies solely on science

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and medicine and are nothing more than a

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marketing arm of the big pharmaceuticals

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at medicines or medicine we don't need

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medicine we need faith magic and a

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thank you for listening to this episode

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of the skeptic zone which I got to you

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through the skin of my teeth or via the

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skin of my teeth how many teeth does the

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chicken have something like that it's

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one of those days folks it's one of

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those days until next week this is

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Richard Saunders signing off from Sydney

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Australia you've been listening to the

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skeptic zone visit our website at www

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